andigger Posted 5 February , 2004 Share Posted 5 February , 2004 I am thinking of getting this book, has anyone read it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andigger Posted 2 April , 2004 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2004 Has anyone still not read this? Just curious that I haven' t heard much about it. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biplane pilot Posted 4 April , 2004 Share Posted 4 April , 2004 According to the reviews, IOV dissects W Wilson's efforts during and after TGW in similar clinical fashion to Fleming's The New Dealers' War. I've just finished the latter, which is almost uniformly excellent. Roosevelt partisans absolutely loathe the book but are unable to refute any of it because Fleming makes such thorough use of New Dealers' own words and describes the contrast between avowed policy and actions. There's probably a similarity in that both Wilson and FDR's health were major factors, carefully concealed from the public (i.e., the voters.) Roosevelt had failing health from 1940 and through much of 1944 he was limited to a 20-hour work week. Nevertheless, his navy doctors lied to the press and public about his fatal condition. The first thing he did after his 1945 inaugural was update his will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andigger Posted 9 June , 2004 Author Share Posted 9 June , 2004 Just curious (again)..... If this book is still collecting dust on book store shelves, it can't be that great. Or has some one gotten it and enjoyed it? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andigger Posted 5 October , 2007 Author Share Posted 5 October , 2007 ... ah, more than 3 years later I am finally starting this book! Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hederer Posted 5 October , 2007 Share Posted 5 October , 2007 ... ah, more than 3 years later I am finally starting this book! Andy Andy, Funny, but I could have sworn I posted a review here years ago. My wife bought the book for me as a present, and I read it...perhaps I posted some other place. I found the book interesting and I was glad I read it. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andigger Posted 17 October , 2007 Author Share Posted 17 October , 2007 Getting through the book and it certainly offers a new perspective. Whereas I disagree with his presentation of the Americans as essentially niave lap dogs of the British propoganda machine in the early years of the war I do think Fleming eloquently presents his point. Two examples that struck me is the seemingly harsh assertion that Churchill urged captured U boat men to be treated as felons rather than POWs. This meant that they could be shot on the spot rather than being sent to a POW camp. (p. 66) Additionally, when comparing the British and German propaganda machines and the voracity with which each persued the American public opinion, Fleming writes, "A major flaw in the German character in World War I was a naive righteousness." interesting..... Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul guthrie Posted 17 October , 2007 Share Posted 17 October , 2007 Speaking of FDR's health, his blood pressure just before his death was 300/190 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyHollinger Posted 19 October , 2007 Share Posted 19 October , 2007 Speaking of FDR's health, his blood pressure just before his death was 300/190 . I'm confused. Good to "see" you Andy1 - I'm reading "Reading the Man" ... an interesting new Life and Times book about REL ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andigger Posted 19 October , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 October , 2007 The book is easy reading although it is long.... My primary 'concern' is that he is so anti-Wilson, anti-American, anti-ally that even his well demonstrated points start to lose weight. Its as if Germany were invaded and LaFollete was sent to the US to crusade against the infidels. On the other side he does footnote extensively and give concrete examples of his points. It does lend itself to the idea he might be using highly isolated incidents which really didn't demonstrate the true mood of tha nation at the time. Yes... I am back, doing a lot of reading and less posting, but glad to be here. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hederer Posted 19 October , 2007 Share Posted 19 October , 2007 The book is easy reading although it is long.... My primary 'concern' is that he is so anti-Wilson, anti-American, anti-ally that even his well demonstrated points start to lose weight. Its as if Germany were invaded and LaFollete was sent to the US to crusade against the infidels. On the other side he does footnote extensively and give concrete examples of his points. It does lend itself to the idea he might be using highly isolated incidents which really didn't demonstrate the true mood of tha nation at the time. Yes... I am back, doing a lot of reading and less posting, but glad to be here. Andy While reading his book I was reminded of the Lloyd George's rather humorous remark when commenting on Clemenceau and Wilson that he "was sitting between Napoleon and Jesus Christ," at Versailles. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andigger Posted 23 October , 2007 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2007 Just had to add this next quote, "The Saint-Mihel offensive was the walkover of the war. ... Resistance was perfunctory." p. 268 Anyone care to disagree? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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